GGYC writes SNG in order to set a meeting on the "constructed in country" issue

Posted on 30 December 2009 by Valencia Sailing

Related PDF Documents

- GGYC letter to SNG on “constructed in country” meeting, dated 29 December 2009

December 29, 2009

Mr Fred Meyer
Vice Commodore
Chairman, SNG America’s Cup Committee
Société Nautique de Genève
Port Noir
CH-1223 Cologny
Switzerland

Dear Vice Commodore Meyer,

Thank you for your letter of December 27th concerning the “constructed in country” requirement of the America’s Cup Deed of Gift.

This is to confirm that GGYC welcomes your offer to meet and discuss this issue, which, as you know from our letter of December 22nd, we believe it is of the utmost urgency. We are prepared to meet at a mutually agreeable time and place as soon as possible. When and where would you suggest?

Yours sincerely,

GOLDEN GATE YACHT CLUB

Marcus Young
Commodore

cc: Ernesto Bertarelli, Team Alinghi
Brad Butterworth, Team Alinghi
Russel Coutts, BMW ORACLE Racing
Tom Ehman, BMW ORACLE Racing
Larry Ellison, BMW ORACLE Racing

15 Comments For This Post

  1. Renaud Says:

    Meeting could be held :

    At NY Court, in order to save time
    At RAK, to get sunburn
    At Geneva, to eat some swiss chocolate (but with cacao from Nigeria, not shure it's DOG compliant)
    At San Diego, as some of our spys are still there
    At TE Home, (I will come with a Kalachikof)
    and so on ……..

  2. Anonymous Says:

    On The Rocks ?

  3. Anonymous Says:

    Gee SNG has to make a decison in public to schedule a meeting. How can they continue to hide like they have in the past with not letting a 3rd party steno or ISAF attend the meeting between the 2.

    Yep, probably the best place to call out SNG is in public as they need to be shown as the failed Trustee they are.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Thailand ?

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Hmm another delaying tactic by the septics.

    Looks like I had better delay buying my plane tickets. At least the hotel booking is refundable!

  6. Anonymous Says:

    to 9:55

    your comment is mean!This is a very dirty campaign against Alinghi.

  7. Anonymous Says:

    May be they meet in antarctica too cool down a bit

  8. Anonymous Says:

    I was just looking at some photos of alinghi 5 sailing, presumably in Ras Al kama. It looks like they have joins in their sails.I have a 40´ racing yacht with 3DL sails and they do not appear to have any of these joins… If i am correct that these are indeed joins ( perhaps someone from Alinghi could confirm)where are these joins made? Why do the sails have joins? I guess the joins are made on the machine at 3DL? Or is this something the alinghi team of sailmakers have to do? If the sails are not leaving 3DL in one piece then surely they are constructed elsewhere?
    id be interested to hear comments from both teams on this??

  9. Anonymous Says:

    the bor spy must know the alinghi sailmaker are working in villeneuve right now constructing the alinghi 5 sail ?

  10. Anonymous Says:

    Las Bestias mejor

  11. Anonymous Says:

    10:03am. good point. Id like to know what those strips across the sails are. If they are joins and they are not made at 3DL then how can BOR say that the sails are made there? However.. i dont think 3DL sails have joins. I think they are manufactured in one piece.??

  12. Anonymous Says:

    5:43 PM – the strips are broadseaming that has to take place as the sails are too big to do as 1 piece.

    What is important is that the molds that are only in Mindens still have to be used.

    Alinghi can be other sails just as good as 3D's by doing what other sailmakers do to make segmented string sails on the floor versus a mold ie: Quantum, Sobstad, Elvstrom & etc

  13. Anonymous Says:

    I thoguht there were moulds somewhere else in the world. Are you sure they are onlyin Nevada?I really dont understand the issue.If the sails are manufactured at 3 dl in sections surely the sailmaking is done else where. Joined, trimmed to size, patched, taped, hardware ie: constructed.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    7:27 PM – if the molding is not done the sail when put together will have no shape.

    It's just like getting a molded hull build in the USA then finishing it off elsewhere.

    Note the issue is about custom work & not what you can buy off the shelves worldwide like paint, carbon, rope & etc. Alot of confusion on the CIC issue will be sorted out based on past AC practices for sourcing custom work. If you want to understand more please read the old IR's that SNG removed as they where specific to mutual consent matches but now they don't apply.

    http://www.a3.org/ac2000_Resolutions.html

    Wing is a sloop as they use a jib & screecher as well. Also in '88 a wing was used. Further ISAF equipment rules classify any surface that uses the wind to propel a boat as a sail. Desn't draw a line between hard or soft surfaces.

    http://www.sailing.org/2011.php

  15. Anonymous Says:

    I disagree i think. If the sails were made from panels of cardon material then surely the machine required to make the fabric must be some kind of custom made machine right? Therefore isnt this just a question of machinery.

GGYC writes SNG in order to set a meeting on the "constructed in country" issue

Posted on 30 December 2009 by Valencia Sailing

Related PDF Documents

- GGYC letter to SNG on “constructed in country” meeting, dated 29 December 2009

December 29, 2009

Mr Fred Meyer
Vice Commodore
Chairman, SNG America’s Cup Committee
Société Nautique de Genève
Port Noir
CH-1223 Cologny
Switzerland

Dear Vice Commodore Meyer,

Thank you for your letter of December 27th concerning the “constructed in country” requirement of the America’s Cup Deed of Gift.

This is to confirm that GGYC welcomes your offer to meet and discuss this issue, which, as you know from our letter of December 22nd, we believe it is of the utmost urgency. We are prepared to meet at a mutually agreeable time and place as soon as possible. When and where would you suggest?

Yours sincerely,

GOLDEN GATE YACHT CLUB

Marcus Young
Commodore

cc: Ernesto Bertarelli, Team Alinghi
Brad Butterworth, Team Alinghi
Russel Coutts, BMW ORACLE Racing
Tom Ehman, BMW ORACLE Racing
Larry Ellison, BMW ORACLE Racing

30 Comments For This Post

  1. Renaud Says:

    Meeting could be held :

    At NY Court, in order to save time
    At RAK, to get sunburn
    At Geneva, to eat some swiss chocolate (but with cacao from Nigeria, not shure it's DOG compliant)
    At San Diego, as some of our spys are still there
    At TE Home, (I will come with a Kalachikof)
    and so on ……..

  2. Anonymous Says:

    On The Rocks ?

  3. Anonymous Says:

    Gee SNG has to make a decison in public to schedule a meeting. How can they continue to hide like they have in the past with not letting a 3rd party steno or ISAF attend the meeting between the 2.

    Yep, probably the best place to call out SNG is in public as they need to be shown as the failed Trustee they are.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Thailand ?

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Hmm another delaying tactic by the septics.

    Looks like I had better delay buying my plane tickets. At least the hotel booking is refundable!

  6. Anonymous Says:

    to 9:55

    your comment is mean!This is a very dirty campaign against Alinghi.

  7. Anonymous Says:

    May be they meet in antarctica too cool down a bit

  8. Anonymous Says:

    I was just looking at some photos of alinghi 5 sailing, presumably in Ras Al kama. It looks like they have joins in their sails.I have a 40´ racing yacht with 3DL sails and they do not appear to have any of these joins… If i am correct that these are indeed joins ( perhaps someone from Alinghi could confirm)where are these joins made? Why do the sails have joins? I guess the joins are made on the machine at 3DL? Or is this something the alinghi team of sailmakers have to do? If the sails are not leaving 3DL in one piece then surely they are constructed elsewhere?
    id be interested to hear comments from both teams on this??

  9. Anonymous Says:

    the bor spy must know the alinghi sailmaker are working in villeneuve right now constructing the alinghi 5 sail ?

  10. Anonymous Says:

    Las Bestias mejor

  11. Anonymous Says:

    10:03am. good point. Id like to know what those strips across the sails are. If they are joins and they are not made at 3DL then how can BOR say that the sails are made there? However.. i dont think 3DL sails have joins. I think they are manufactured in one piece.??

  12. Anonymous Says:

    5:43 PM – the strips are broadseaming that has to take place as the sails are too big to do as 1 piece.

    What is important is that the molds that are only in Mindens still have to be used.

    Alinghi can be other sails just as good as 3D's by doing what other sailmakers do to make segmented string sails on the floor versus a mold ie: Quantum, Sobstad, Elvstrom & etc

  13. Anonymous Says:

    I thoguht there were moulds somewhere else in the world. Are you sure they are onlyin Nevada?I really dont understand the issue.If the sails are manufactured at 3 dl in sections surely the sailmaking is done else where. Joined, trimmed to size, patched, taped, hardware ie: constructed.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    7:27 PM – if the molding is not done the sail when put together will have no shape.

    It's just like getting a molded hull build in the USA then finishing it off elsewhere.

    Note the issue is about custom work & not what you can buy off the shelves worldwide like paint, carbon, rope & etc. Alot of confusion on the CIC issue will be sorted out based on past AC practices for sourcing custom work. If you want to understand more please read the old IR's that SNG removed as they where specific to mutual consent matches but now they don't apply.

    http://www.a3.org/ac2000_Resolutions.html

    Wing is a sloop as they use a jib & screecher as well. Also in '88 a wing was used. Further ISAF equipment rules classify any surface that uses the wind to propel a boat as a sail. Desn't draw a line between hard or soft surfaces.

    http://www.sailing.org/2011.php

  15. Anonymous Says:

    I disagree i think. If the sails were made from panels of cardon material then surely the machine required to make the fabric must be some kind of custom made machine right? Therefore isnt this just a question of machinery.

  16. Renaud Says:

    Meeting could be held :

    At NY Court, in order to save time
    At RAK, to get sunburn
    At Geneva, to eat some swiss chocolate (but with cacao from Nigeria, not shure it's DOG compliant)
    At San Diego, as some of our spys are still there
    At TE Home, (I will come with a Kalachikof)
    and so on ……..

  17. Anonymous Says:

    On The Rocks ?

  18. Anonymous Says:

    Gee SNG has to make a decison in public to schedule a meeting. How can they continue to hide like they have in the past with not letting a 3rd party steno or ISAF attend the meeting between the 2.

    Yep, probably the best place to call out SNG is in public as they need to be shown as the failed Trustee they are.

  19. Anonymous Says:

    Thailand ?

  20. Anonymous Says:

    Hmm another delaying tactic by the septics.

    Looks like I had better delay buying my plane tickets. At least the hotel booking is refundable!

  21. Anonymous Says:

    to 9:55

    your comment is mean!This is a very dirty campaign against Alinghi.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    May be they meet in antarctica too cool down a bit

  23. Anonymous Says:

    I was just looking at some photos of alinghi 5 sailing, presumably in Ras Al kama. It looks like they have joins in their sails.I have a 40´ racing yacht with 3DL sails and they do not appear to have any of these joins… If i am correct that these are indeed joins ( perhaps someone from Alinghi could confirm)where are these joins made? Why do the sails have joins? I guess the joins are made on the machine at 3DL? Or is this something the alinghi team of sailmakers have to do? If the sails are not leaving 3DL in one piece then surely they are constructed elsewhere?
    id be interested to hear comments from both teams on this??

  24. Anonymous Says:

    the bor spy must know the alinghi sailmaker are working in villeneuve right now constructing the alinghi 5 sail ?

  25. Anonymous Says:

    Las Bestias mejor

  26. Anonymous Says:

    10:03am. good point. Id like to know what those strips across the sails are. If they are joins and they are not made at 3DL then how can BOR say that the sails are made there? However.. i dont think 3DL sails have joins. I think they are manufactured in one piece.??

  27. Anonymous Says:

    5:43 PM – the strips are broadseaming that has to take place as the sails are too big to do as 1 piece.

    What is important is that the molds that are only in Mindens still have to be used.

    Alinghi can be other sails just as good as 3D's by doing what other sailmakers do to make segmented string sails on the floor versus a mold ie: Quantum, Sobstad, Elvstrom & etc

  28. Anonymous Says:

    I thoguht there were moulds somewhere else in the world. Are you sure they are onlyin Nevada?I really dont understand the issue.If the sails are manufactured at 3 dl in sections surely the sailmaking is done else where. Joined, trimmed to size, patched, taped, hardware ie: constructed.

  29. Anonymous Says:

    7:27 PM – if the molding is not done the sail when put together will have no shape.

    It's just like getting a molded hull build in the USA then finishing it off elsewhere.

    Note the issue is about custom work & not what you can buy off the shelves worldwide like paint, carbon, rope & etc. Alot of confusion on the CIC issue will be sorted out based on past AC practices for sourcing custom work. If you want to understand more please read the old IR's that SNG removed as they where specific to mutual consent matches but now they don't apply.

    http://www.a3.org/ac2000_Resolutions.html

    Wing is a sloop as they use a jib & screecher as well. Also in '88 a wing was used. Further ISAF equipment rules classify any surface that uses the wind to propel a boat as a sail. Desn't draw a line between hard or soft surfaces.

    http://www.sailing.org/2011.php

  30. Anonymous Says:

    I disagree i think. If the sails were made from panels of cardon material then surely the machine required to make the fabric must be some kind of custom made machine right? Therefore isnt this just a question of machinery.

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